As I’ve discussed earlier, there is a much greater difference between co-ops and condos downtown than there is in the rest of Manhattan. At least on the inside.
Anywhere else in Manhattan, if you want to know if an apartment is a co-op or a condo, you have to ask somebody.
In Soho, Noho and Nolita, it's pretty obvious. Nearly all the condos in these neighborhoods are either new conversions that retain their original facades but are completely gutted and reconstructed on the inside, or newly constructed from the ground up.
Anywhere else in Manhattan, if you want to know if an apartment is a co-op or a condo, you have to ask somebody.
In Soho, Noho and Nolita, it's pretty obvious. Nearly all the condos in these neighborhoods are either new conversions that retain their original facades but are completely gutted and reconstructed on the inside, or newly constructed from the ground up.
The co-ops are a different matter. They’re real artists’ lofts which were factories and warehouses made habitable by the pioneer artists who settled there forty or fifty years ago.
Because the condos are new and shiny and have such weird amenities (weird to the pioneers, at least) as doormen and exercise rooms and wine cellars and dog spas, their prices are much higher.
Another reason for condos’ higher prices is their current popularity. Suddenly, everybody wants a condo. And there are far fewer condos than co-ops. (A good case can be made for either, depending on your needs, but that’s a subject for another time.)
For the last twelve months, the average price per square foot for a co-op loft in Soho, Noho and Nolita has been $1,047, as opposed to about $1,750 for a condo.
The highest PPSF for a co-op loft was $1,623 for a 2400 s.f. high full floor at 458 Broadway, with 2.5 baths, in mint condition, with 24 windows spread along both a long wall and a short wall.
The lowest PPSF, $521, was for a second floor loft at 620 Broadway that faced east over Crosby Street.
The foot print of the 620 Broadway loft is about 2400 square feet, but the typically high (15 feet in this case) ceilings of a second floor allow for another 700 square feet or so of mezzanine which brings the total square footage up to the listed 3146. I didn’t see this one, but the condition was given as excellent.
It's a gray area as to whether mezzanine square footage should be counted as the ceilings in the mezzanine areas are lower than the 8' required by the Department of Buildings, so the price per square foot here may be artificially reduced.
The lack of light here would be a problem for many buyers. Note that the indentations on the south wall are not windows.
They used to be lot line windows--that is, windows in a wall that sits on the very edge of the lot--that looked over a gas station, but the gas station gave way to a big glass-curtain-walled commercial building with a huge Adidas store on the ground floor, and the windows are no more. Thus the perils of lot-line windows.
The highest PPSF for a co-op loft was $1,623 for a 2400 s.f. high full floor at 458 Broadway, with 2.5 baths, in mint condition, with 24 windows spread along both a long wall and a short wall.
The foot print of the 620 Broadway loft is about 2400 square feet, but the typically high (15 feet in this case) ceilings of a second floor allow for another 700 square feet or so of mezzanine which brings the total square footage up to the listed 3146. I didn’t see this one, but the condition was given as excellent.
It's a gray area as to whether mezzanine square footage should be counted as the ceilings in the mezzanine areas are lower than the 8' required by the Department of Buildings, so the price per square foot here may be artificially reduced.
The lack of light here would be a problem for many buyers. Note that the indentations on the south wall are not windows.
They used to be lot line windows--that is, windows in a wall that sits on the very edge of the lot--that looked over a gas station, but the gas station gave way to a big glass-curtain-walled commercial building with a huge Adidas store on the ground floor, and the windows are no more. Thus the perils of lot-line windows.
The median price was $1,160, for a 2000 s.f. fifth floor loft at 325 Lafayette Street. This was an extremely odd shape for a loft; it’s a trapezoid, and very narrow at one end. It needed a complete gut renovation.
The clients I showed it to were put off by the configuration, but it gets a huge amount of light and has windows on all sides except the really short wall where the elevator and the stairs are.
Another huge advantage of this loft is that the maintenance is basically cab fare--$600 a month. The building has no underlying mortgage, and the tenant share-holders derive income from the commercial space on the ground floor.
The clients I showed it to were put off by the configuration, but it gets a huge amount of light and has windows on all sides except the really short wall where the elevator and the stairs are.
Another huge advantage of this loft is that the maintenance is basically cab fare--$600 a month. The building has no underlying mortgage, and the tenant share-holders derive income from the commercial space on the ground floor.
Here’s the spreadsheet:
SOHO NOHO NOLITA CLOSED CO-OP SALES, $1,000,000+ MAY 2011--MAY 2012 | ||||||
ADDRESS | APT | SF | S&C PRICE | $PSF | CLOSED | MAINT ENANCE |
458 Broadway | 7 | 2387 | $3,875,000 | $1,623 | 3/7/12 | $2,800 |
117 Prince | 3C | 2300 | $3,100,000 | $1,348 | 3/22/12 | $2,200 |
48 Great Jones | 3F | 2303 | $3,100,000 | $1,346 | 4/5/12 | $2,250 |
458 Broadway | 4FL | 2387 | $3,200,000 | $1,341 | 1/5/12 | $2,800 |
682 Broadway | 3FL | 3000 | $4,000,000 | $1,333 | 8/25/11 | $4,270 |
45 Crosby | 6N | 1955 | $2,600,000 | $1,330 | 11/22/11 | $1,850 |
114 Spring | 4 | 1581 | $2,100,000 | $1,328 | 6/29/11 | $2,500 |
114 Spring | 3FLR | 1662 | $2,200,000 | $1,324 | 3/19/12 | $2,500 |
477 Broome | 43 | 1111 | $1,430,000 | $1,287 | 9/14/11 | $1,686 |
541 Broadway | 4B | 3200 | $4,100,000 | $1,281 | 5/23/11 | $200 |
292 Lafayette | 7W | 1433 | $1,820,000 | $1,270 | 1/11/12 | $2,235 |
66 Crosby | 4B | 1540 | $1,950,000 | $1,266 | 1/10/12 | $1,593 |
45 Crosby | 4N | 1955 | $2,475,000 | $1,266 | 8/19/11 | $1,850 |
22 Wooster | 4C | 3000 | $3,750,000 | $1,250 | 8/5/11 | $3,911 |
652 Broadway | 7R | 1500 | $1,850,000 | $1,233 | 1/13/12 | $603 |
431 W. Broadway | 4FL | 2000 | $2,375,000 | $1,188 | 7/21/11 | $1,300 |
27 Howard | 4TH | 2000 | $2,325,000 | $1,163 | 7/28/11 | $3,100 |
325 Lafayette | 5FL | 2000 | $2,320,000 | $1,160 | 4/21/12 | $600 |
135 Greene | 5S | 2600 | $2,950,000 | $1,135 | 7/19/11 | $2,100 |
424 Broome | 5 | 2200 | $2,449,000 | $1,113 | 5/25/11 | $1,680 |
468 W.Broadway | 5D | 1571 | $1,700,000 | $1,082 | 4/18/12 | $2,005 |
101 Wooster | 3F | 1951 | $2,060,000 | $1,056 | 8/10/11 | $2,094 |
712 Broadway | 2 | 2600 | $2,700,000 | $1,038 | 7/14/11 | $3,622 |
543 Broadway | 4 | 2148 | $2,225,000 | $1,036 | 4/4/12 | $0 |
113 Princ Street | 5ER | 1350 | $1,390,000 | $1,030 | 8/18/11 | $1,333 |
307 W. Broadway | 7FL | 3200 | $3,175,000 | $992 | 4/23/12 | $1,650 |
16 Crosby | 3RN | 2200 | $2,180,000 | $991 | 8/30/11 | $83 |
135 Greene | 4S | 2650 | $2,625,000 | $991 | 5/23/12 | $2,100 |
114 Mercer | 4R | 2250 | $2,225,000 | $989 | 4/13/12 | $2,810 |
242 Lafayette | 4S | 1480 | $1,412,500 | $954 | 1/5/12 | $2,215 |
561 Broadway | 5A | 2100 | $2,000,000 | $952 | 12/14/11 | $3,400 |
16 Crosby | 2F | 2722 | $2,375,000 | $873 | 10/28/11 | $67 |
565 Broadway | 3 | 4184 | $3,600,000 | $860 | 1/26/12 | $6,834 |
45 Crosby | 5N | 1955 | $1,625,000 | $831 | 4/26/12 | $1,850 |
141 Wooster | 3C | 1760 | $1,453,000 | $826 | 10/11/11 | $2,100 |
81 Grand | 3FLR | 1575 | $1,200,000 | $762 | 1/19/12 | $2,000 |
307 W. Broadway | 6FL | 3300 | $2,450,000 | $742 | 5/15/12 | $1,500 |
182 Grand | 2E | 2000 | $1,420,000 | $710 | 6/30/11 | $1,897 |
48 Great Jones | 2NDFL | 4400 | $3,100,000 | $705 | 5/17/12 | $4,500 |
710 Broadway | 6TH | 2283 | $1,540,000 | $675 | 3/21/12 | $3,057 |
712 Broadway | 3RD | 2400 | $1,600,000 | $667 | 11/16/11 | $3,622 |
100 Wooster | 5TH | 2875 | $1,800,000 | $626 | 7/11/11 | $3,000 |
55 Great Jones | 3RD | 2100 | $1,250,000 | $595 | 1/5/12 | $0 |
620 Broadway | 2R | 3146 | $1,637,500 | $521 | 11/19/11 | $2,317 |
AVERAGE | $1,047 |
See related link http://withconfidence.blogspot.com/2011/12/what-are-best-co-ops-in-soho.html
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